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Info-Mac Digest             Tue,  3 Aug 93       Volume 11 : Issue 155

Today's Topics:

      [!] US price reductions on Duos, C650 and Q800
      [*] PowerNotes 1.0.1
      [*] TidBITS#187/02-Aug-93
      (A) Writing AppleScripts
      *** Don't throw away System 7 desktop files *** (C)
      .z & .Z
      840av Simm slots
      [R] classic "simple beep" preserved? The real story !
      A/UX
      About MoviePlayer...
      Apple Color Scanner Vs. HP ScanJet IIc
      Apple Events Script reference
      A writer's machine
      Bad xperience w/MacCenter
      Big Dummy
      Black terminator IIfx (R)
      cases for Powerbook hard drives?
      classic "simple beep" preserved? [A]
      comp.sys.mac.com
      Controlling VideoDisc Player From HyperCard [Thanks!]
      Crash Recovery Help
      Disconnecting idle Sys7 Sharing users
      Don't throw away System 7 desktop files
      EndNote Plus: UK Prices
      Error 15 on Portable (C)
      Floppy Drive Exchange
      Hardware System Update 2.0 & Portable.
      Hayes Accurafax vs. Supra faxmodem (Q)
      Help mejo.Some Question...
      Help Needed to Pick Out Modem Software
      Hiding the Names of Apps (C)
      HyperCard Serial Port Toolkit 2.6
      Idea for a product
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #154
      Integrity...online
      lazy Susan for PB?
      Long filenames in archive
      LW error message (Q)
      Mac App to "unzip" a file
      MacPPP authorization setup
      Mac terminal emulator that does IBM PC F-keys?
      Mac Tuberling where is it?
      MacX and Sun OpenWindows -- the definitive(?) answer
      MacX and Sun OpenWindows?
      MaxAppleZoom & MacLights
      Minitel - not so dumb!
      Monitor Explodes! Woe is me!
      More PowerPC correction
      MPW 3.3 Upgrade
      My IIci graphics is slower than IIsi !!!
      New Computer
      New Sound Manager incompat with Sound Edit Pro
      Nisus 3.47 Limited Flag Edition (Q)
      NuBus boards (Q)
      Oops! Sorry re: tone last msg...
      Please include min requirement warning on submissions!
      Possible to make SW II print in reverse order? (C)
      postscript display
      Postscript Startup Page
      PowerBook 180c's/Extended memory
      PowerPC correction
      PowerPC OS (C)
      PowerPC vs. Pentium - long
      Problems initializing 800k disks with Hardware Update-NO!
      Reply to my request re hard disk Icon won't cut or paste
      Software Licensing Query for TidBITS article
      SoundManager 3.0 (won't run)
      Strange problem with System 7.1 on PB140
      STYLEWRITER I
      Stylewriter II and vertical axes (A)
      Suitcase/Carpetbag and System 7
      Thumbnail
      UltraShield
      US-Excel 4: what makes it recognize D.M.YY as a date? [Q]
      Virtual Screen?
      What do I need to play *.MID files? (A) (2 msgs)

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Date: 3 Aug 1993 13:23:48 -0500
From: werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Subject: [!] US price reductions on Duos, C650 and Q800

	[ extracted from the official Apple press release posted
	  by Eric Apgar <Apgar@Apple.com>....  thanks, Eric! ]




   Apple USA Reduces Price of PowerBook Duo, Macintosh Centris 650
		       and Quadra 800 Computers

CAMPBELL, California--August 3, 1993--
...
Effective immediately, the U.S. suggested retail prices (SRPs) of the
Apple PowerBook Duo 210 and 230, Macintosh Centris 650 and Macintosh
Quadra 800 computers have been reduced by as much as 33 percent.

Current and previous U.S. suggested retail prices for the affected
Macintosh computers are as follows:


				     Previous SRP   New SRP  % Change

PowerBook Duo 210 4MB Hard Disk 80       $1,839      $1,499     18%
PowerBook Duo 230 4MB Hard Disk 80       $2,299      $1,719     25%
PowerBook Duo 230 4MB Hard Disk 120      $2,659      $2,079     22%
PowerBook Duo 230 4MB Hard Disk 120      $2,899      $2,319     20%
   w/Express Modem

Centris 650 8/80 w/512K VRAM/            $3,189      $2,139     33%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Centris 650 8/230 w/512K VRAM/           $3,559      $2,489     30%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Centris 650 8/230 CD w/1 MB VRAM/        $3,939      $2,869     27%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Centris 650 8/500 w/512K VRAM/           $4,309      $3,139     27%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Quadra 800 8/230 w/512K VRAM/            $4,679      $3,769     19%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Quadra 800 8/500 w/1 MB  VRAM/           $5,499      $4,489     18%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Quadra 800 8/500CD w/1 MB VRAM/          $5,829      $4,799     18%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit

Quadra 800 8/1000 w/1 MB VRAM/           $6,399      $5,289     17%
   w/ Ethernet & Floating Point Unit


Customers can obtain more information about Apple products by calling
the Apple Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-776-2333.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 18:12:01 -0500
From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: [*] PowerNotes 1.0.1

PowerNotes 1.0.1 is a minor upgrade to PowerNotes 1.0.  No major changes or
bug fixes, but a new version for compact Macs is included in the archive
file (see the README files for more info).

PowerNotes is a Hypercard stack designed for students and researchers
alike.  Meant to be used on a Powerbook, it organizes and stores
information (ie, class notes, research notes, recipes, whatever).  It has
import and export functions for exchanging data with others; the exported
files are browsable on their own or may be imported into another PowerNotes
stack.  This stack is exceptionally useful as an electronic notebook for
students taking notes directly onto their PowerBooks, or for researchers
and experimenters who need to keep track of experiments, projects, or
information from primary literature references.  See the HELP button on the
main menu for more information!

[Archived as /info-mac/text/power-notes-101-hc.hqx; 30K]

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 14:53:59 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: [*] TidBITS#187/02-Aug-93

TidBITS#187/02-Aug-93

Roy McDonald's article on software acceleration spawned numerous
   interesting comments, and other bits of note include changes in
   three Internet gateways, AOL, Prodigy, and GEnie. We also have
   a look at Claris's new strategy, some notes on handwriting
   recognition and communication on the first Newton, and finally,
   an article detailing how to make MacsBug automatically reboot
   your server when the server crashes.

Topics:
    MailBITS/02-Aug-93
    Software Acceleration Comments
    Internet Gateway News
    ClarisWorks Reigns
    ResEdit Hacking MacsBug
    Newton Notes
    Reviews/02-Aug-93

[Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-187.etx; 28K]

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 00:01:29 -0800
From: jonpugh@netcom.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: (A) Writing AppleScripts

> "For information about using AppleScript language
> to create useful scripts, see the AppleScript
> Language Guide"

AppleScript is not yet available to the general public.  The 1.0 release
through APDA is aimed at developers who are writing scriptable
applications, not at users who wish to write AppleScripts.  The $20 runtime
is for developers who do not want to licence AppleScript and would rather
tell their users to buy the $20 disk themselves.  That's why it's so cheap.
 No docs.

There is a user release on the way.  Apple just thought it would be more
useful to users if developers had a chance to make scriptable applications
first.  You know how people are.

I do not have information about when the user release will be though.

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 0:05:42 PDT
From: Brian R. Gaeke <brg@CERF.NET>
Subject: *** Don't throw away System 7 desktop files *** (C)

gurgle@netcom.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
Unfortunately, one thing these files have in common across both
System 6 and 7 is that Finder often fails to maintain them properly
or, worse, volunteers to rebuild them and then fails to do a clean
rebuild. To solve this problem, Salient has released "Desktop Reset",
a patch-free System Extension, available via 'ftp' on sumex-aim, as
freeware.  Full details are available in its documentation.
<<<<<<<<<<

(plug for the day :-)

The Reset DTDBs 2.0 freeware application is also available on Sumex-aim.
It does pretty much the same thing as Desktop Reset, but you sometimes
(the Finder is funny about these things...) need to hold option+command
after INITs load and the Finder begins to start.

--
Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate Company   Internet E-Mail: brg@cerf.net
Finger my account for my PGP public key.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 09:59:31 -0600
From: chavey@beloit.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Subject: .z & .Z

>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 93 16:43:12 CDT
>From: Akira <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
>Subject: .z & .Z
>
>What apps will decompress .z and .Z files...also tar files from ftp
>sites.
>
>Akira

.z files can be uncompressed with gzip
.Z files can be uncompressed with MacCompress
.tar files can be uncompressed with tar

gzip can be found at sumex in Compress-Translate. The others don't appear
to be at sumex. The other two can be found at Umich in util/compression.

--Darrah Chavey                  Department of Math & Computer Science
  chavey@beloit.edu              Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 93 18:40:32 CDT
From: Mack <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: 840av Simm slots

Can anyone tell me how many simm slots are on the 840av mother board, and
how much memory in on the motherboard?

Mack

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 12:20 GMT
From: pope@imv.aau.dk (Povl H. Pedersen)
Subject: [R] classic "simple beep" preserved? The real story !

The new Simple beep, and also the new Eudora sound you get with the new
SOund Manager 3.0 is exactly the same sound as it always has been :-)

The reason it sounds different is because the square wave synthesizer in
older sound managers where broken. In sound manager 3.0 you get REAL square
wave sound.

This bug-fix is irritating, as all users has learned to live with it, but
Apple has decided that when they will take over the complete market next
year with the PowerPC, people shall get the real stuff.

The only way to get old beeps back is, record the beep on an old machine,
and install the sampled sound (which will probably be larger).
---
Povl H. Pedersen  -  Macintosh Consultant and Programmer
pope@imv.aau.dk (prefered)   /   povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 12:25:42 CDT
From: Mack <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: A/UX

Can anyone give me a list of advantages and disadvantages of using A/UX
vs. System 7 on a 800?

Mack

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 23:32:26 CST6CDT
From: Rafael.Figueroa@bilbo.strydr.com (Rafael Figueroa)
Subject: About MoviePlayer...

Good day to you all:

I have a question: just what is the latest version of the QuickTime
"Movie Player" ? Where could I get it? (if available)

Thank you all,

Rafael.Figueroa@bilbo.strydr.com
--
Rafael Figueroa, user of the UniBoard System @ strydr.com
E-Mail: Rafael.Figueroa@bilbo.strydr.com
Stryder Communications, Inc.
St. Louis, Mo.  (314)838-7020
Voice Line ---> (314)838-6839
DISCLAIMER: STRYDER COMMUNICATIONS, INC. IS NOT RESPONSIBLE OR LIABLE
	    FOR THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED BY THIS USER.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:22:01 GMT
From: sbrisko@netcom.com (Scott Brisko)
Subject: Apple Color Scanner Vs. HP ScanJet IIc

<My company is in the market to buy a color scanner, and we thought we had
come to a decision on the HP Scanjet IIc, and we thougght we had found a
really good price too. Anyway, we are a software development company so we
have found that we could buy and Apple scanner at a discount, making the HP
look very expensive by comparison. So has anyone recenetly purchased the new
apple scanner, and if so can you give me a run down on what youu think about
it?

Any help would be appreciated.


scott

Sbrisko@netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 08:51 CDT
From: Philip Nelson <NELSONP@UWGB.EDU>
Subject: Apple Events Script reference

Can anyone recommend a book that describes how to do Apple Event scripting?
It seems that I've ignored this topic as it went by on my various lists and
now I need to have more info.  Thanks in advance.

_Philip Nelson/UW-Green Bay/Computing and Information Technolgy

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 16:51:54 EDT
From: davist@mercury.umis.upenn.edu
Subject: A writer's machine

A writer-friend of mine wants advice on a new system. His hardware and
software requirements are minimal. After talking to him extensively, I
know that a Classic II running WriteNow 3.0 would be nearly ideal. There's
only one problem with that idea: he wants a bigger (preferably monochrome)
monitor. Is it possible to hook up Apple's high-res monochrome monitor to
a Classic II? What machine would you recommend to someone who only needs
that much processing power, but doesn't think his newly-bifocaled eyes can
stare at the nine-inch screen for hours on end?

I would recommend one of the Performas, but if sharpness of image is a
major criterion, the ones that come with .39 dot pitch won't do the job;
and the ones that come with .29 dot pitch may be too expensive. Beyond
that, I'm already at the limit of my knowledge of these systems -- except
that I know whatever monitor they come with is what you're stuck with. (He
wants to spend $2000, including printer. I'm guessing that $3000 is going
to be more like it.)

Any advice would be appreciated. Private communication would probably be
the most appropriate avenue.

Tad Davis
davist@a1.relay.upenn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: MUENCH@SERVAX.FIU.EDU (MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA)
Subject: Bad xperience w/MacCenter

Netters:
	ONEMACUSER (@aol.com) isnt alone. I dealt with them about 1.5 yrs ago
when I was getting ready to buy my IIci + E-Machines/FuturaSX.  Well after
getting di**ed around for about a week (they told me the stuff was in stock
and lied, lied to keep me waiting around uselessly to see if their own ship-
ments would come in) or two.  Well it wouldnt've been so bad, but
1) i had a job to work on which needed the color that my SE lacked
2) and they lied. Well after wising up, I went with other vendors
and vowed  **never** to do business with 'the center of the macintosh
universe'.
Remember:  When is a bargain not a bargain?!
++++++++

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: MUENCH@SERVAX.FIU.EDU (MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA)
Subject: Big Dummy

The Big Dummy's Guide to the Internet is awesome.  Even the desktop icon
is killer.  My congratulations to everyone involved!!
Things I like:
-icon
-can take notes!! (YOUR notes)
-Page Marker
[so cool]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 10:25:46 PDT
From: JP Weaver <weaver@sherlock.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Black terminator IIfx (R)

Well Rob I hope this is what you wanted to know.
This information comes from Mac Tech note #273 June,90.
The Black terminator is the same as the old grey ones
with one exception, it has 2.21 micro-Farad capacitance
added to it. The simple reason for this is that the
capacitance dampens the voltage swings across the
resistors so that the SCSI controller chip does not
get confused.

===   weaver@sherlock.chinalake.navy.mil           ===
And the gate is true.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 17:24:14 +0200
From: LJOB1%BDILUC01.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: cases for Powerbook hard drives?

Dear fellow mackers,

These days you can get internal hard disks (2.5") up to 213 MB for the Power-
book. If I'd replace my internal 80 MB hard drive with a 213 MB Toshiba or
160 MB Quantum, however, I'm stuck with a spare 80 MB drive. Does anybody know
an address of somebody who manufactures a little case for these small
Powerbook
drives? Alternatively, does anyone recommend getting an external LaCie Pocket-
drive or so and swapping the drive mechanisms? Please reply directly to me as
I'm not subscribing to Info-Mac (due to small network bandwidth).
					    Many thanks in advance,

dr. Jan Martin             ljob1@bdiluc01.bitnet
			   jmartin@vub.ac.be

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 01:45:32 -0800
From: schuyler@netcom.com (Gabriel M. Schuyler)
Subject: classic "simple beep" preserved? [A]

stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) writes:
> Yeah, I just put in the new sound manager, and I don't like the new simple
> beep. Any chance someone out there HASN'T installed the package and might
> upload the old simple beep to sumex for the rest of us?

> Of course, if there's some other way, I"m interested in that too.
> I took a look inside the System file of my old Install 1 disk, and there
> is no simple beep inside the suitcase.

The solution was simple, actually.  I opened the Sound control panel,
selected the Simple Beep (personally, I think it's a little annoying) and
selected Copy from the Edit menu.  When I then Pasted, it asked me to name
the new sound and voila, there it was in my System file.

It's all of 793 bytes . . . if anyone wants it, e-mail me and I'll send it
to you binhex'd in e-mail.
- - -
Gabriel M. Schuyler                 VoiceMail/Pager: (415) 280-8985
schuyler@netcom.com                  finger for RIPEM public key &c

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 13:28:31 PDT
From: cmartini@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Subject: comp.sys.mac.com

Ok, this may well be an *ultimate* FAQ, but, I've got my asbestos shorts on;
I can take it.

Exactly what *is* "comp.sys.mac.com" and all the other similary-designated
discussion groups?  Where can I join?

I access info-mac from an internet gateway; are these other discussion
groups on internet; or some "other" net?

thanx, and don't hurt me...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 22:36:30 -0400
From: "Keith E Gatling" <kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Controlling VideoDisc Player From HyperCard [Thanks!]

Thanks to all the people below who wrote me individually, and to all the
people who posted to Info-Mac to answer my question.  What I was looking
for (once someone reminded me) was the HyperCard VideoDisc Toolkit, which
I've ordered, and should be waiting for me at the school when I get there
in the morning (then I just have to give them the receipt so they'll
remimburse me for it).

	Ron Burns         <rburns@bournemouth.ac.uk>
	Richard Rathe     <Richard_Rathe@qm.server.ufl.edu>
	Ritchie Boyd      < RITCHIE@corral.uwyo.edu>
	Kee Nethery       <kee@aol.com>
	Peter Jorgensen   <PJORGENSEN@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
	David Bourne      <david-bourne@uokhsc.edu>
	Peter Fleck - SMM <fleck@ast1.spa.umn.edu>

keg

* kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu   I've got plenty of opinions.  Just ask my wife! *

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1993 00:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JAY22@delphi.com
Subject: Crash Recovery Help

I have a IIvx, System 7.1, 8 Mb. I used Icon Artist to change trash icons.
Next restart, I got the flashing question mark. Used Disk Tools to start
up, replaced System and Finder. Next day, installed Hardware Update 2.0.
Today, I have the following problems:
1) Can't print. Opening Chooser produces message, "AppleTalk cannot be
opened." Printer is recognized; pages are spooled, but I can't enable
AppleTalk.
2) Can't open some applications (Maelstrom 1.2, AOL 2.0.1).
3) Startup sound (SoundMAster 1.7.3) and system beeps not playing.
Modem seems to work fine.
Here's what I've done:
Replaced System and Finder twice; rebuilt desktop several times; run
Disk First Aid, Norton, and Safe and Sound; zapped PRAM twice; trashed
everything installed with Hardware Update 2.0.

Any suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,
Jay Becker
JAY22@delphi.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:13:50 +0100
From: bakker@chem.vu.nl (Nico Bakker)
Subject: Disconnecting idle Sys7 Sharing users

Hi,

Does anyone know of an utility to disconnect idle users who have logged in
into a System 7 Mac with File Sharing on? I would like to disconnect them
after some 15 minutes idle time to give others an opportunity to log in.

Thanks in advance,

Nico.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 11:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIMS@SERVAX.fiu.edu (Jim Schenk)
Subject: Don't throw away System 7 desktop files

In a recent Info-mac, Alexei (tsvetkova@rferl.org) writes:

> [other stuff deleted]
> It is pretty safe and sometimes even advisable to trash them
> once you know what you are doing and why you are doing it. I will not go
> into details since nobody has asked.

OK, I'll ask.  Can you please go into detail about this?  I have
been trying to find information on the exact role of the Desktop,
Desktop DB, and Desktop DF files, and the only responses I've gotten
are that they replace the Desktop file that was used in System 6.0.x.

The reason I ask is that I'm setting up a Mac training lab using a
program called RevRDist.  It basically restores the Mac's hard drive
to its original state (whatever we set that up to be) from a master copy
on a server.  That way, if a student trashes some files, it will replace
them, if a student adds files, they will get deleted, and if a student
modifies files, they will be replaced with the originals.  This is done
upon startup.  The program works, but the icons and windows are not
in the same position each time.  I think this has something to do with
the hidden desktop files, or perhaps with other hidden files.  Do you
know exactly where the information concerning icon and window placement
is stored?

I am in desperate need of detailed information about the role of these
hidden files.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Jim Schenk
University Computer Services
Florida International University

Bitnet:         jims@servax
Internet:       jims@servax.fiu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 21:16:01 +0000
From: Analysis@sheffield.ac.uk (Peter Smith, Analysis)
Subject: EndNote Plus: UK Prices

If you have thought about getting a [legal] copy of EndNote Plus, and been
put off by the UK price [From Cherwell Scientific Publishing 229 pounds,
minus 15% academic discount, plus 5 pounds shipping, plus VAT - i.e. 235
pounds: MacWharehouse and Macline charge similarly], then here's how to get
one for less than half as much.

I faxed MacConnection in the USA (0101 603 446 7791), and got a quote of
$164.23 [i.e. about 111 pounds] including fast DHL shipping. I faxed back a
credit card order on Thursday, and the package was on my desk midday
Monday. Good or what? So go for it and indulge yourself, folks!

I don't want to boringly grouse on about UK software prices: but I do
wonder about who pockets the difference between the UK and USA prices. I
bet you it isn't those nice folks at Niles who developed their deservedly
"Five Mice" package.

PS




Peter Smith, ANALYSIS, Dept. of Philosophy,
University of Sheffield, S10 2TN. UK

analysis@sheffield.ac.uk

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 11:03:52 EDT
From: "Charles A. Patrick" <PATCHAS@VM.NRC.CA>
Subject: Error 15 on Portable (C)

Some time ago I posted a question relating to the above. I received several
answers, of which the most comprehensiv was from Christian F. Buser,
<CBUSER@EZINFO.vmsmail.ethz.ch>, who said:

> The only cure was to completely erase the HD . . . . . . Be sure to use a HD
> formatter (Apple's HD SC setup, for example) and choose "initialize drive".
> It does not help if you only chose "Erase disk" from the Special menu.

Well, I followed his advice first with the most recent version of
SilverLining.
Unfortunately, this was to no avail. I continued to get Error type 15, even
with all extensions off! Then I reverted to HD SC Setup that comes on the
System 7.0.1 DiskTools disk, and all is well.

In a nutshell then, it seems that the software engineers at La Cie have not
been successful in getting rid of the conflict from SilverLining

Thank you all.

------------------------------

Date: 3 Aug 1993 16:37:30 GMT
From: iru@maxwell.ucsc.edu (Paulo Irulegui)
Subject: Floppy Drive Exchange

The floppy disk drive in my IIsi, despite cleaning and lubricating, is
not working properly. Probably it is out of alignment. Does anyone
know where I can exchange it for a working one? Thanks.

Paulo.
iru@maxwell.ucsc.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 16:57:46 +0100
From: Reinder Verlinde <reinder@neuretp.biol.ruu.nl>
Subject: Hardware System Update 2.0 & Portable.

I am having trouble installing the Hardware System Update 2.0 on a
Macintosh Portable (non-backlit, 5MB). It seems to me that the new
disk drivers (installed by the new HD SC Setup and/or the update
itself don't survive a system sleep. When the system has slept every
access to disk ends with a message 'the command couldn't be completed
because an error of type 15 occurred' (15 = segment loader error) or
to a straightforward hang. I haven't had time to investigate this
fully (i.e. all combi's of new/old driver and control panels/extensions,
and would rather not do that at all (I already have hacked enough and
got lots of 'nice' extras, such as a Portable which crashes before it
accesses the floppy drive (i.e: no booting, either from hard disk or
>From floppy) so here is the question of today:

Has anybody successfully installed Hardware System Update 2.0
on a MacPortable?

Please answer to me directly since this will be of only limited interest
to the net. Thanks beforehand,

Reinder Verlinde

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 10:21:46 EDT
From: Eric Weiss-Altaner <R22104%UQAM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Hayes Accurafax vs. Supra faxmodem (Q)

Hayes has recently brought out a V.32bis faxmodem called Accurafax.
It has not been reviewed in the Macintosh computer magazines yet.

I am trying to decide between a Hayes Accurafax and the
 Supra faxmodem V.32 bis, which received very good and very bad
comments on MAC-L and I think on Info-Mac.

Is price the only criterion to use in deciding between these two
models? Curiously enough, in Montreal right now the Hayes costs less,
340$ vs, 399$ (Canadian).

Thanks in advance for suggestions and shared experiences.

Eric Weiss-Altaner, Univ. du Quebec a Montreal
R22104@UQAM.BITNET

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 15:45:00 EST
From: jangsh@alliant.snu.ac.kr
Subject: Help mejo.Some Question...

w3Hi.
I'm Gang Tae KO in Korea.
I want color vide on SE30, but don't find it in Korea.
| to ship it and how costs now.
And what kinds does it receive to me at My Home.
I heard some answer about shipped at Korea, is protected.
Please answer this, about shipping rule.

By the way, I got 16" Goldstar Monitor then what
video card is a good collection.

I wander to display color on my machine.
Please, your good answer.

E mail Address:jangsh@alliant.snu.ac.kr

--I didn't some writing in English
--I'd beg yours understands.
 Have good days................
 .

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 08:11:01 PDT
From: Brad.ES_M2@xerox.com
Subject: Help Needed to Pick Out Modem Software

Hi-
	I have an LCII and an external modem.  What I now need is a software
package so I can use the modem.  The modem has capability up to 14,400 baud
and
I`d like to fax also.  I`ve heard of White Knight, Personal Microphone, and
Microphone II.  If you can recommend a package, I`d appreciate hearing from
you.  Also, I`m not a very adept computer user, so ease of setup and use is
important.

Thanks,

Brad

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 04:19:55 EST
From: "Kirke B. Lawton" <LAWK%UORVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Hiding the Names of Apps (C)

I would suggest to the person who wants to tidy up his desktop
by hiding his Application names that he use the trick that someone
just offered (about changing the names to " ", "    ", etc.)
BUT that he only changes the names of his alias to the applications
not the applications themselves.  That will save possible confusion
down the road.

Kirke

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 09:55:31 PDT
From: Jerry Tangren <GSW$EN@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Subject: HyperCard Serial Port Toolkit 2.6

Does anyone know if the HyperCard Serial Port Toolkit version 2.6 is
available by FTP on the Internet. APDA still sells a beta copy of
version 2.5. However, Harry Chesley, the author, apparently has posted
an update at least to the commercial services.

From:  Jerry Tangren, Wenatchee WA
       (gsw$en@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 16:02:23 -0600
From: bwalls@marvin.msfc.nasa.gov
Subject: Idea for a product

I used to work on some old Xerox Lisp workstations running Interlisp D.
They had plenty of problems with speed and support, but had some really
neat features, too. One feature that was a mixed blessing was an
environment that persisted from boot to boot. Whatever programs you had
running, whatever windows you had open, whatever processes were in the
background, when you logged back in they were right there. You would keep
"clean" images handy, usually a copy of the naked system, and then one with
stuff you always wanted, in addition to the image of your current state.

Like I say, this was a mixed blessing. My idea for a Mac product would be
to let you build an image and save it. Then when you boot the system,
instead of going through all that is involved in loading system software
(identifying the particular machine, deciding what needs loading, loading
all the inits and other patches), you could shortcut to just loading
exactly what was in memory when you made the save. I would think you could
cut a 2 minute boot time to 10-15 seconds.

There are some problems, of course. If you updated an application or init
on your disk which was running in the image, you could get some really
glorious crashes next time you loaded that image. Adding all the checks to
make it completely safe would probably take longer than booting normally
and loading things. Where it would, I think, be useful would be after
booting all your favorite inits and maybe starting you screen saver.
Basically what you want to see when you start work in the morning or after
a crash. The other would be to save everything at the end of the day so
that it looks exactly the same in the morning. It could also be useful for
powerbooks (basically sleep mode saved to disk) and for the "green
machines" that shut off to save electricity.

Memory requirements would be equal to the amount of RAM you were using.
Obviously this would be easier for those of us with 8MB or less than for
those with 32MB. Just thought I would run the idea by the community and see
if it was shot down. If someone makes it into a product, please remember me
when you're rich and famous. I'd at least like a copy!

Bryan Walls                             My words are not NASA policy.
bwalls@marvin.msfc.nasa.gov

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 19:08:21 NZS
From: N.Perry@massey.ac.nz
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #154

info-mac-request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators):
>
>    Hi folks...
>
>    I need some help. I am making a SuperCard stack and we need to remove all
> cursors. I have removed cursors from SuperCard, changed the cursors in the
> Finder and the System. There is a cursor left that we need to get rid of
when
> the application is working (the watch). Now, how can we get rid of that
one.
> Someone believes the cursor is in the "internal toolbox" and we want to
> remove it.
>
>    Please send any responses directly to this account because I don't read
> my mail that often. I will notice any mail sent directly before I notice any
> net mail. Thanks folks!
>
>
>
>
>                                          - Mike -
>

You might wish to check out my Cursor Utilities stack (umich, sumex,
smis-asterix.massey.ac.nz - latter is off tonight [by accident and I'm at
home :-(]). It provides cursor hiding facilities in HyperCard. If it doesn't
do all you need I might be induced to add features.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,
	Nigel

------------------------------

Date: 3 Aug 1993 13:35:09 -0500
From: "dlawrence" <dlawrence@arpa.mil>
Subject: Integrity...online

Larry writes

-> On Tue, 27 Jul 93, "dlawrence" <dlawrence@arpa.mil> post an article
-> entitled "CPro vs. Stuffit on AOL" to the Info-Mac Digest v11 #151. It
-> that article he included an extensive quote from me.  This quote was
-> taken from a private e-mail message from myself to "dlawrence."
-> "dlawrence" post this to Info-Mac without asking for or receiving my
-> permission.
->
-> I have sent e-mail to "dlawrence" on Wed, 28 Jul 93, asking for an
-> explanation and apology. I have receive deafening silence in return.
->
-> Why am I telling you this?  I believe these actions are a reflection on
-> the character of "dlawrence" and would be of interest to those who might
-> come into contact with him via Info-Mac or elsewhere.
->
-> --Larry Wink <fdmwink@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu> or <larrywink@aol.com>

Wow. What fun this is.

I've checked my incoming log from the 28th and there's no such message there.
I
would have responded to it and would have explained as I am here (but would
have hardly responded with an apology). I regularly respond to e-mail
regarding
Info-Mac questions both to the user directly (who may not get the digest for a
few days) and to Info-Mac so that others might benefit. I would like to see
the
message, though...would you kindly re-send it?

Here's how I see it: you and I disagree. Messages have been posted by people
both here and on AOL's boards taking you to task for your views on whether AOL
has the right to specify what kind of compression they prefer for uploading
files (and thanking me for remembering that not everyone is an expert). You
don't like that. You know what? No one cares. I tried to end this on a
peaceful
note by saying that we should agree to disagree. But you're acting like a
little child who has to have the last word.

By the way, once you send a message to me, it's *my* decision, not yours,
whether or not it remains private. Just like the messages you sent to the
folks
at AOL regarding your uploads, who then forwarded them to me. This is neither
a
reflection of my character or judgement; after all, we're talking here about a
compression scheme.

This, unfortunately, is not a winnable argument. AOL is going to continue to
insist that folks upload files compressed by Stuffit (or by *anything* if self
extracting). You are going to continue to vehemently question the wisdom of
such a policy to anyone who will listen. I am going to continue to wonder
about
human nature, and I'm also going to make sure that AOL gets InfoMac digests as
soon as I do, in the form they request.

David Lawrence
Macintosh Product Evaluation Specialist <-- coolest job
CAC/ARPA                                   *in* the world
Internet: dlawrence@arpa.mil
CIS: 75300,2460     AOL: OLTDavid or DoctorMac

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 15:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Thoo <jbthoo@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: lazy Susan for PB?

I'm looking for a lazy Susan made for a PowerBook, i.e. in the dimensions
of a PB's base.  This way, I would be able to swivel my PB for someone
else to peer at the screen, e.g.  (Ever notice how Picard does this in his
Ready Room on the Enterprise-D? :-)  Is such a product available?

Thanks for your help.

--John.
J. B. THOO, Math Dept, Univ of California, Davis <jb2@math.ucdavis.edu>
``My _real_ computer is a Macintosh.''

[Cross-posted to info-mac digest and MACPB-L.  My apologies to those who
read both.]

------------------------------

Date: 03 Aug 1993 11:48:26 -0500 (EST)
From: FNELSON@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: Long filenames in archive

Some recently posted files have been archived with names that
are too long to access with my VersaTerm FTP client.  I don't know
if this is something that I must live with or fix on my end or
whether it is something that should be fixed by the archive
administrator.  Is anyone having the same problem?

The most recent file I tried was big-dummys-guide-to-internet.hqx.  My FTP
client apparently only picked up the beginning of the name (I can't tell
how many characters).  When it tried to access the file it reported that
the file was not found.

Gary Lee Nelson, Professor
Electronic and Computer Music
TIMARA Program
Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, OH 44074
(216) 775-8223
fnelson@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:15:23 -0600
From: C4898@UMSLVMA (Larry Pickett)
Subject: LW error message (Q)

Does anyone have any experience with a LaserWriter II g that refuses to
print while sending the following message to the printing Mac  "Repairing
Damage to Temperature Regulation on Printer.".  One of my users is getting
this and one trip to the repair service yielded no solution.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 16:17:04 GMT
From: seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale)
Subject: Mac App to "unzip" a file

I downloaded a couple of text articles that are, unfortunately in
"zipped" format.  Is anyone aware of a utility that can unzip them?

Thanks in advance,

Eric Seale
seale@pogo.den.mmc.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 09:43:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Subject: MacPPP authorization setup

Dear moderator,

   I was asked to submit this to sumex.  It might be placed in the
"help" or maybe "report" directory.  As always, it is up to your
discretion if and where it goes.

-- Pat ---------------------------------> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov

Question:
 --------
   I can't seem to get MacPPP 1.1.3 to use the Username and Password
that is entered into the Authorization window.  I have been able to
create a connection script that will log me on, but the password is
typed in the clear in the script for all to view, and there is no
option to leave it blank and have the user prompted for it at the time
the connection is made.

   (1) What string triggers MacPPP to enter the Username and Password?

and

   (2) Is there a command for the connection script that will tell
       MacPPP to goto the Authorization info and enter it now?

Answer:
 ------
=> From Larry J. Blunk (author of MacPPP):
=>
=>    The Authorization window contains info for use with PPP's PAP
=>(Password Authentication Protocol).   This info isn't used for
=>servers which require text-based logins.  Unfortunately, most terminal
=>server vendors seem to be suffering from a SLIP mentality where they
=>require you to do a text-based login before starting PPP.  They
=>should really allow you to start PPP first and then use PAP for
=>authorization.  The nice thing about PAP is that its part of the
=>PPP protocol and standardized, so you don't have to a separate script
=>for each vendor's terminal server.
=>    The best solution is to do PPP auto-dectection and then
=>PAP for authorization.  This allows you to have a Null Connect
=>Script which is very nice.  The Livingston Portmaster is the only
=>box I know of that currently implements this mechanism.
=>    At any rate, for boxes which don't support PAP and require a
=>text-based login, you can put a '\t' in the Connect Script to
=>have PPP start up the terminal window.  You should put the '\t' at
=>the point just before the login prompt is issued, or if the
=>user places their id in the script, just before the password prompt
=>is issued.  Note that the '\t' will only work in "Out" strings.
=>
=> -Larry

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:06 PST
From: COSTELLO@YOOHOO.llnl.gov
Subject: Mac terminal emulator that does IBM PC F-keys?

Greetings, a friend has to log in to her computer at school.  That in itself
isn't so bad, because she can use my Mac to get there.  Unfortunately, once
she's there, the application expects PC-type PFx and PCx key sequences.  Can
someone either:
	a) Point me at a terminal emulator that can also emulate the IBM PC
keyboard.  (This is my preference)

	-- OR --

	b) Tell me what the key sequences are so I can send tem myself using
control keys or some other mechanism.

	I don't have QuickKeys or other F-key programming tools.

- Thanks,

- Ed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 01:36:23 EDT
From: Saeed Al-Dhaheri <ALDHAHSK%DUVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Mac Tuberling where is it?

Hi There;
I've heared about a game  called "Mac Tuberling" for kids to play with. it
suppose to let kids to compose carton-like faces and put extras on them.
Does anybo a network site for this file. EDUCORP has it in
thier shareware library but I don't want to get it from them$. Please let me
know if it is available through internet. thanx

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 3:33:33 PDT
From: Brian R. Gaeke <brg@CERF.NET>
Subject: MacX and Sun OpenWindows -- the definitive(?) answer

j.i.c. anyone is interested, here is some information about
using MacX to run Sun OpenWindows that I got after my last post
on the subject.

enjoy,
Brian

--
Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate Company   Internet E-Mail: brg@cerf.net
Finger my account for my PGP public key.

=====================

>>> From: A.J.Freeman@open.ac.uk (Adam Freeman)

When you define the command to be sent to the X "host" try

/usr/openwin/bin/olwm -single -display "@display"

where the @ symbol is command-r

Send this to a rooted window, and you will have the OpenWindows desktop.

=====================

>>> From: ericb@telecnnct.com (Eric Burger)

The X-Server runs on the Mac (MacX).  The server provides drawing,
text, dragging, etc. services.  The display manager (olwm (OpenWindows),
twm (Simple Window Manager), mwm (Motif), ...) does the "look and feel".
Note that you do need to have local fonts.  MacX includes the OpenWindows
fonts, but some applications, like WordPerfect, have special font
packages.  You need to copy the fonts to the Mac and convert them
(MacX has a converter built in).

The only "hasstle factor" is that OpenWindows uses the right mouse
button *a lot*.  You might want to buy a three button mouse.

=====================

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 10:51:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: ericb@telecnnct.com (Eric Burger)
Subject: MacX and Sun OpenWindows?

Forwarded message from Brian R. Gaeke:
> Eric Burger writes:
> > The only "hasstle factor" is that OpenWindows uses the right mouse
> > button *a lot*.  You might want to buy a three button mouse.
> I have a Logitech MouseMan. How do I make it work with MacX?
> (it's a 3 btn mouse.)
> Brian

I don't know if there's a "right" way, but MacX uses Option-Left Arrow
for the middle button, and Option-Right Arrow for the right button.  If
you can program your MouseMan to generate theses sequences, you're in
business.

--
--  Eric William Burger       --  Eric.Burger@telecnnct.com  --
--  The Telephone Connection  --  Tel. +1 301/417-0700       --
--  15200 Shady Grove Road    --  Fax. +1 301/417-0707       --
--  Rockville, MD  20850      --  U.S.A.                     --

------------------------------

Date: 3 Aug 1993 17:09:02 GMT-1
From: okt6@edte.utwente.nl
Subject: MaxAppleZoom & MacLights

Hi erverybody,

I have three questions today and i hope somebody knows the answers (please
e-mail me)

MaxAppleZoom: In the old days I was using MaxAppleZoom on a IIcx with an
Apple 13'' monitor for the wonderful bigger picture. Nowadays I use a Mac
IIvx with an Apple 13'' ColorDisplay. MaxAppleZoom won't work with it. The
documentation of MaxAppleZoom says that it doesn't work with macs with an
internal videocard (like the IIvx), however that was in 1991. Does somebody
know if there is a new version wich can do it. I'd really like to have it
because the screen is so much bigger..

MacLights: The same compatability problems do I get with MacLights, a CDEV
wich turns on the LEDs of the Extended Keyboard when the harddisk (or
floppy) is in use. Althrough I use DiskLight from NowUtilities I prefer to
have MacLights. Does some body know an answer for that also?

AutoDoubler: Does somebody know how to clean files wich have been compressed
by AutoDoubler, preventing the "This file has been compressed by
AUtoDoubler.." message on macs which don't have it aboard?

Thanks,

																					Maurice
																					van
																					Egeraat,
																					University
																					of
																					Twente

Send Mail to:OKT6@edte.utwente.nl
Yours sincerely,

		Maurice van Egeraat
		Dept. Educational Technology
		University of Twente
		Witbreuksweg 379-307
		7522 ZA Enschede
		The Netherlands
		Tel.: +31 53895130

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 14:29:05 +0100
From: williams@tours.inra.fr (John Williams)
Subject: Minitel - not so dumb!

	As a follow-up to Bob Frost's message in digest #141, I would like
to add my two cents (or two centimes) worth.

	I have lived in France for over 15 years and have witnessed the
telephone system transform itself from a completely archaic, mainly
operator-dependent system into what it is today: a modern telecoms system
based around electronic exchanges and ancillary services.  The Minitel (or,
more correctly, the Teletel) services are part of this.

	One of the main uses of the Minitel (this term refers to the
hardware you have in your house or office which may be supplied free of
charge by France Telecom) is to consult the electronic telephone directory.
 It is, in fact, a keyboard, screen and modem in a neatly designed box.
Using this, you can obtain the number and address of any person of firm
within France (not within a small region as is the case with the UK or the
USA). This service is free for the first three minutes, after which a small
fee is payable.

	A lot has been said and written about the Minitel rose services but
there are many other uses of the 3615 line which are invaluable, such as
being able to reserve a seat on a TGV (high speed train) without having to
quote a credit card number.  You can also consult up-to-date train times,
flight times and ferry timetables, send a telegram (yes! they still exist),
send a fax and consult the stock exchange.

	The technology is old-fashioned now - V23bis is the standard which
is 75/1200 baud - but it is less limiting than you might think, since 75
baud on emission keeps up with your typing speed in most cases.  However, a
super system is in the making based on a new, higher speed cabling network.


	As for Internet, we've got it now and the reason it was so slow in
coming was the past insistence that we buy from Bull, but that's all over
now and UNIX boxes are rolling in thick and fast in the universities and
research centres now.



John Williams

(INRA Station de Recherches Avicoles, Centre de Recherches de Tours, 37380
Nouzilly, France)

------------------------------

Date: 2 Aug 1993 19:11:41 -0400
From: gnat@panix.com (Robert Martin)
Subject: Monitor Explodes! Woe is me!

I'm the second or third owner of a Mac IIcx, and last night my monitor
fried. The monitor, a product of Moniterm Corp, is useless even for parts
at this point.

Does anyone know what monitors will be compatible with my card? I called
Supermac, and they were supposed to call me back, but there's no word yet
(admittedly, I called late in the day, but I'm eager to get my mac back!)

My card is a Supermac Graphix, Version 1.5, vintage 1987.

Thank you for your attention!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 08:44:26 CST
From: "Wade Williams" <williw1@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: More PowerPC correction

I've gotten several replies to my PowerPC correction.  Several people had
additional points.  What follows is a quote from one, but it summerizes the
points that others made as well.

>Just one extra point: as I understand it, Pentium will
>effectively run x86 apps in emulation mode as well, taking a
>performance hit. To run at full speed (such as it is)
>on Pentium, programs will need to be recompiled, just
>like for PowerPC.

You might also want to mention that Insignia, makers of
>SoftPC, have a deal with Microsoft to port Windows to
>PowerPC using Microsoft's source code, so it should run
>at native speeds on PPC.

Wade Williams
Network Support Specialist, Auburn University
williw1@mail.auburn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 22:10:52 -0800
From: jonpugh@netcom.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: MPW 3.3 Upgrade

Having used MPW since version 1.0, I have gone through innumerable upgrades
and can comment on some of the issues involved.

One of the first things I noticed was that if you customized MPW by
throwing tools into the folder "Tools" and scripts into the folder
"Scripts", you will have a hard time upgrading.  I added a folder
"Tools*Jon" along the lines of the "UserStartup*Jon" file which was
introduced in version 2.0 or so.  I had to add this folder to {Commands} so
that it would be searched, but after this all my custom stuff is separate
>From the stock MPW stuff so that it can be upgraded without hassle.  This
is the essential clue for anyone keeping an up to date MPW folder.
Somewhat a moot point now, but nevertheless a useful tidbit in case they
ever need to fix MPW again.

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 9:19:43 EDT
From: Robert Szarek <szarek@dlaeem.dnd.ca>
Subject: My IIci graphics is slower than IIsi !!!

I have an interesting problem. When I run a particular app
that uses the QuickDraw Copybits functions my graphics on
my IIci are SLOWER than a IIsi and a IIci without a cache
card !

When I run Speedometer, it says my performance is fine and
in fact is faster than the IIsi. I've tried removing every
possible INIT and cdev but I still have sluggish graphics.
This problem does not appear in every app. I even reformatted
my HD and started with a clean disk and system 7.1 which
only took 1450K.

Another weird thing is that if I reduce the amount of app
space (using get Info) the program seems to gain a bit of
performance !!

Is it possible that I'm hitting a gray area with the IIci
cache card ? My system has 5Mb of real ram and a 160 Mb HD.

--
Robert Szarek
Land Software Engineering/ DND Canada
e-mail: szarek@dlaeem.dnd.ca
	aa443@freenet.carleton.ca

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 01:10:02 -0400
From: cbsmith@ccnga.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: New Computer

>Mail*Link(r) SMTP               New Computer
>
>   I'm an up-and-coming computer engineer (software)
> approaching my senior year of college (after
> summer), and I'm about to invest in my first real
> computer.  I had an AMIGA up 'till now, which
> wouldn't be so bad if it were less than 8 years
> old and I was in Europe somewhere.

Hey, it's lasted you 8 years. That's something worth saying.

>   I've been looking at Mac's and PC's and asking
> anyone and everyone about their capabilities and
> things like what's EISA and VEISA, or why does DOS
> have 3 kinds of ram?

Ok. It's EISA & VESA btw. EISA is a 32-bit bus standard that can accept
the 16 & 8 bit ISA bus expansion cards as well as it's own. VESA, from
what I understand is an attempt to standardize SVGA so that everyone
doesn't have a million and one video drivers.

DOS has 3 kinds of RAM because it's a very old OS. Back when it was
developed, 640k of RAM seemed like enough space. Various companies have
come up with various memory standards to go beyond the 640k limit.
Unfortunately, different pieces of DOS software utilize different kinds
of the additional DOS memory, but there does seem to be some convergence
emerging, so you won't really need 3 different kinds of memory at once.
I also like to blame some of DOS's memory problems on Intel's segmented
memory architecture, but OS/2, NeXTStep & Windows NT have proven that
that's not a problem at all. Damn, I really wish I could blame Intel for
the whole thing. :-)

> I also made a few
> observations such as everyone I know at school and
> home owns a PC, but at work and at all my family's
> jobs they're either using Mac's now or they're in
> the process of switching over to Mac's from PC's,
> why?
>   I was wondering if anyone out there could help me
> with info on stuff like:
>       -Is it worth waiting for
>         the PowerPC or will it cost to much anyway when it
>         comes out.

The PowerPC's, especially the Apple ones, are going to be *real* price
killers. Apple's first PowerPC is expected to cost $2000. IBM's will be
more expensive, as they are tying it in more with their workstation
computers. The PowerPC's are meant to be providing workstation/Pentium
power at a price that your average Joe can start thinking about. That is
the general marketing philosophy behind them, so you can expect that
they are going to be "buyable". The key question is can you wait until
they come out. (IBM's version will be out in force by the end of the
year at ~$3000, and Apple will be out for sure by March. When they are
actually going to be released, nobody -I think even at Apple- knows
yet.)

>       -Which will better support the extensive use of
>         languages like ADA,Pascal,C++,Lisp,etc.

Ok. I've only seen ADA implemented in a serious manner on UNIX OS's. You
can get it for Linux and various other Intel/UNIX OS's and for AU/X of
course, but then you are going to be spending a lot of money (even Linux
requires a lot of good hardware to be usefull and ADA itself is quite
expensive). PowerPC's will certainly have an ADA compiler as they can
basically handle anything an RS/6000 can, just not as efficiently.

As far as the other languages go, I'd say it depends on what you mean by
"better support the extensive use". I'd say, for example, that IMHO
Think's development environment & the Apple's MPW are some of the best
software development environments I've seen (until you get into DEC's
FUSE and the like). NeXTStep might be better for software development,
but only for NeXTStep code.

I'd also say that right now, more development effort is being spent on
tweaking Pascal & C compilers on the Intel platform, so you can expect
your code to run faster there. This will also change with the PowerPC,
which I'm sure will have a compiler on the level of IBM's AIX cc
compiler.

In general, I'd say most languages are supported on both platforms, with
perhaps a few obscure ones supported only on the PC platform (Lisp or
any of it's well known derivatives would NOT be on this list), but you
will probably have more selection as to *where* you get your compiler
>From in the PC world.

>       -Is WindowsNT the new PC operating system and is it out yet?

WindowsNT is better thought of as "yet another new PC operating system"
or YAN PCOS (pronounced "yan pee-k-oh-s". It is of course from
Microsoft, which helps, but look at how long it took them to get Windows
accepted! There are tons of 32-bit OS'es providing relatively similar
features for Intel based systems: OS/2, NeXTStep, Windows NT, SCO Unix,
Linux, Solaris/Intel, etc. Which one will win remains to be seen. Right
now, I think OS/2 has the largest userbase, and after that I think it's
SCO Unix, then maybe Linux and who knows what after that.

NT is out in beta release. This means that it's not fully operational
yet, but MS yielded to pressure (seeing as how it's been delayed for
*ages*) and released it in a usuable format. I'd expect the final
release will run faster.

>       -Anything you might want to add...

If you are comfortable with your Amiga, you might really like some of
the 32-bit OS'es that are becoming popular on the DOS market, such as
OS/2 & NeXTStep. You might try giving them a whirl.

As a general rule, wait until the last possible moment to buy a
computer. This is particularly true now as there are a lot of OS's and
CPU's that are about to clash (Intel 80x86, PowerPC, Dec Alpha, MIPS 4k,
maybe even HP-PA and then there's PowerOpen, MacOS, Windows 4.0, Windows
NT, Motif, OS/2, NeXTStep, various incantations of UNIX, and in the far
future looms Taligent and MS's equivalent). The longer you wait, the
lower the prices will be and the easier it will be to figure out which
architecture isn't going to be ancient history in a matter of months. In
particular, I expect that for the same money, in a year's time, you
could get at least 4x the processing power and a well accepted 32-bit
OS.

--Chris

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 21:40:10 HST
From: John Churchill <churchil@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
Subject: New Sound Manager incompat with Sound Edit Pro

The title says it all.  I haven't tried with the old Sound Edit, but with Pro
there is definitely a problem with playing stuff back-- it starts out okay,
but only for the first two seconds.  Program also appears erratic.  After
moving the new sound manager out of the extensions folder (to disable it),
Sound Edit Pro works just fine.  This could be a problem with the way SE-Pro
was written: it also does not work on a Quadra (unless you disable the
cache).  Anyone else find problems with the new sound manager?  (Actually, I
haven't seen any benefits yet.)
John Churchill

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 17:20:47 EDT
From: Michael Kazlow <KAZLOWF@PACEVM.DAC.PACE.EDU>
Subject: Nisus 3.47 Limited Flag Edition (Q)

I have just purchased and installed Nisus 3.47 Limited Flag Edition.
Two questions:

1) Why does Gatekeeper keep complaining that the System Heap wants to
change its resourses!!!! I have checked my system for virii and that's not
the problem.

2) While its really neat that Nisus files are of type TEXT (sort of), there
does not seem to be any easy way to a) save with linebreaks and b) save
with linebreaks every xx number of characters. This is essential for for
uploading text. Nissus macros are the way to provide it. But before I try
to write it myself. Has anyone implemented something like this before?
Something that duplicates Vantage's wrap to linelength is what I'm hoping
for.

I purchased Nisus to replace Vantage which is starting to blowup on me
more and more often these days (especially after printing).


... Mike K.

FROM:MICHAEL KAZLOW KAZLOWF@PACEVM.BIT OR KAZLOWF@PACEVM.DAC.PACE.EDU

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 22:40 EST
From: "NRN TIA :-)" <ABRODY@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: NuBus boards (Q)

Dear Netters,
I don't know if this is FAQ, but it may be worth a try.  Ignore the above
comments next to my name.  Are there any PDS (LC) boards that allow hookup to
NuBus boards out there?  I have heard of NuBus boards supporting SIMMs, but
never PDS boards supporting anything more than an added FPU.  Would be great
if there were a way to plug in NuBus boards into the LC or Classic series.
No I don't have the money to buy a new Mac that supports full-sized NuBus
slots (i.e. Centris 650 and above).  Just wondered, as I saw the ad for DGRs 3
slot (PDS) expansion for the LC, and wished for those to be NuBus Expansion
Slots.
.   If such a beast does not exist, some person who was a good hardware
engineer could make these board-expansions as an external board platform via
the PDS knock-out slot.  Unforetunately, I don't
have these skill, so I wait to hear if anyone else has thought of this.
If it does exist, please e-mail me as to where and how much?
TIA.
Sincerely,
ABRODY@VAX.CLARKU.EDU

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 93 11:14:26 EDT
From: Allan Huanter <AHUNTER@CCVM.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Oops! Sorry re: tone last msg...

In my message complaining about the absence of warnings when posted
software requires specific op systems, CPUs, etc., to run, I managed to
come off sounding rather unappreciative of shareware authors in general.
Sorry about that--wasn't my intention.  And while I'm at it, yes, I'm
aware that some people are posting things from other sources because
they think some of us would like to have a copy, and they don't KNOW
that their wonderful INIT only runs on 68030-based Macs with System 7.

I just think a standard form would help increase the likelihood that
those who do know will remember to let us know before we download those
825K files at 2400 baud.

- Allan Hunter
 <ahunter@sbccvm>

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 16:11:17 EDT
From: Allan Hunter <AHUNTER@CCVM.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Please include min requirement warning on submissions!

It sure would be nice if people posting their sharewares would be so
kind as to indicate in the Info-Mac notices any minimum requirements to
run their stuff.  I spent a while downloading and unBinhqx'ing several
cdevs and applications last night, only to find that 3/4 of them would
not run without System 7; 2 required a color monitor; 1 required better
than a 68020 cpu; and 1 required a coprocessor.  Annoying!

How about a standardized yes/no thingie to be included at the end of
submission notices--

SYS   (6.0.7)                 FPU   notreq            RAM  1.2 free
CPU   68020                   mon   color             Oth  n/a

If it were standard usage, a highly abbreviated code could be used.
For those of you whose noses are up in the air about us folks who think
we oughta be warned if our 68000 b&w System 6 Macs won't run newly
posted stuff, just wait 'till the PowerPC Macs come out & someone
writes a program that your aging Centris won't run!

- Allan Hunter
 <ahunter@sbccvm>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 16:31 CDT
From: Govind@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: Possible to make SW II print in reverse order? (C)

lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) writes:
> Is there a way to have SW II (probably a SW I for that matter) print
> the pages in reverse order?  It's a pain, for a long file, to have to
> shuffle the pages into their correct order since the first page ends
> up on the bottom and the last on top.

This option is generally present within the application you are
printing from. (Check the apps "Preferences" settings...)

Cheers- Shekhar Govind                   govind@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 09:56:55 EST
From: G. Paul Savage <paul.savage@carbon.chem.csiro.au>
Subject: postscript display

In response to my question about an online postscript reader or viewer I
received a flood of "please tell me if you find one" requests and a couple of
suggestions. High end graphics programs are supposed to be able to do this
(photoshop and canvas were suggested) but I can't justify the cost for this.
Ghostscript (beta version in info-mac) was another suggestion but we've tried
that and, with respect to the author(s), I can find easier ways to crash my
mac. :-)

There is a unix script for ps-to-eps conversion which would probably do the
trick in the graphics/util directory. Any aspiring programers out there want
to
try writing a mac application that will do the same? Encapsulated postscript
(eps) can, of course, be viewed quite easily by many mac applications.

Paul.

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 14:19:33 -0400
From: gt3017c@prism.gatech.edu (William Homer Waits)
Subject: Postscript Startup Page

I have a new Tektronix Phaser 200e (Postscript 2 compatible), and I want
to be able to turn off the PostScript Startup page on startup without
pulling out the paper drawer when I turn it on.  I have herard rumers that
this can be done with the drivers and possibly with a shareware utility, but
I am unfamiliar with the process (driver) and the name of a possible utility.
Could anyone please e-mail with with an answer?  Also, once I have enacted
the switch, will pulling the plug affect it or do I have to leave it plugged
in?  Thanks in advance for the help.

--Bill

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Date: 3 Aug 1993 13:45:56 -0500
From: "dlawrence" <dlawrence@arpa.mil>
Subject: PowerBook 180c's/Extended memory

A question: has anyone puchased any 180c's? Have you had problems with third
party memory boards (in particular, 8 and 10 meg upgrade boards) that are
*supposed* to work with but don't? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

David Lawrence
Macintosh Product Evaluation Specialist <-- coolest job
CAC/ARPA                                   *in* the world
Internet: dlawrence@arpa.mil
CIS: 75300,2460     AOL: OLTDavid or DoctorMac

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:22:28 -0400
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: PowerPC correction

"Wade Williams" <williw1@mail.auburn.edu> writes:

>Whoa!  Let me correct some serious mistakes here:

    I too will make a few corrections to Wade's post, as well as some
additions.

>1)  The "System 7 port" is working now.  Right now.  It has been publicly
>displayed at the World-Wide Developer's Conference.  I'm sure they'll keep
>working on it until the PowerPC-based Mac ships in the first half of 1994,
>but the System 7 that runs on PowerPC is *not* a year away.

    Last I heard, they were targeting something like 50-60% of the Mac
ToolBox to be re-written and compiled into native PowerPC code by the
release, which is still rumored to be in Jan. 1994 on the 10th
anniversary of the Mac's introduction. There is also speculation that
the intro retail price will be the same intro retail of the Mac128. This
will be for a PowerPC 601-based Mac in a C610 case.

>2)  Apple is working on a "microkernel" version of System 7 which will
>include memory protection and multitasking.  I have not heard a release
>date on this yet.  It probably won't be available with the first PowerPC-
>based Macintosh, but I could be wrong.

    Well, no one is really sure when it will be fully ready, but NewOS
went into beta sometime in the last month or so.

>Having said all that, I'll also say:  never underestimate Intel.

    Sound advice.

>4)  NT will not have an impact on most of the DOS/Windows community in my
>opinion.  Its system requirements are just too high.  You need 16 meg of
>RAM and a 150-meg hard drive for a reasonable NT system.

    Forget reasonable. NT takes 8MB of RAM and an 80MB HD just to load
and run! With no applications or any special configuration options.

>For that reason, you'll see NT used as a server and as a high-end
>workstation, but that's it.  Remember, that the entire Macintosh line
>will eventually go to PowerPC, so it will effect all Macintosh users.

    Microsoft, about two months ago, finally realised that NT was not
the next PC OS for everyone, and that it should be a server OS. This is
why you see them pushing their vapor OS, Windows 4.0.

>To clarify for everyone, the PowerPC will run the following operating
>systems (that is, once they are released, you can choose which one you
>want to run):

>1)  Macintosh System 7.1 or whatever happens to be current.  This will look
>and feel just like your Macintosh today.

    Don't leave out OS/2 and the Workplace OS from IBM. It si also
rumored that there will be a Windows NT port to the PowerPC, but for
some reason this port is said to be in development at IBM and not
Microsoft.

>2)  PowerOpen.  A Unix-based OS with a Macintosh interface.  PowerOpen is
>to PowerPC what A/UX is to Macintosh today.

    There will be much more than one Unix-based OS for the PowerPC. You
are forgetting Solaris, and NextStep at the very least.

>3)  Taligent.  Nobody knows what this will look like.  It's currently
>scheduled for release in 1995.

    The full release of the Taligent OS (You can bet it won't be called
Pink) is scheduled for sometime in '95, but both IBM and Apple have
saidd that they will be using some of the subsystems that Taligent has
(ready?) as additions to their OS's, System 7 (8?) and OS/2

>The PowerPC-based Macintosh emulates a 68020 processor.  However, the
>PowerPC chip is so fast, that 68020 runs at about the speed of a 25-MHZ
>68040.  One thing to note:  the 68020-emulation will not emulate an FPU or
>PMMU.  That means that software that *requires* an FPU or PMMU will not run.

    This was changed a couple of months ago, by Apple. The PowerPC will
now be emulating the 68LC040 chip, and run at about the speed of a C610
or base C650. It will not emulate the FPU.

>Now, for those that are going to complain that the 25-MHZ 68040 that the
>PowerPC will approximate is slower than a Pentium, remember that this is
>when running Macintosh software in emulation.  Once the application vendor
>releases a native version of your application, it will leave Pentium in the
>dust.

    Most likely.

>Application vendors have 3 choices:
>1)  Use a binary-to-binary converter.  This takes the standard Macintosh
>binary files and converts them to PowerPC binary files.  Most vendors could
>probably get this done within a week.  However, the files are likely to be
>10% larger and 10% slower than files produced with option #2.  It wouldn't
>surpise me if binary-binary converted files were a free upgrade.

    It would surprise me if these upgrades were free from all vendors.
Also, the binary-to-binary converter is not the recommended path for
vendors. It is only for those vendors that do not have a Pascal or C
source code version of the aplication because it was written in
assembler.

>2)  Recompile their code for PowerPC.  This will produce a "normal" native
>PowerPC application.  This option should not take most vendors longer than
>a month if they've been good boys and girls when writing their applications.
>This will likely not be a free upgrade.

    Especially if it's a Microsoft application. ;->

>3)  Rewrite their application, optimizing for the PowerPC.  Probably only
>high-end packages will do this, since their the only ones for which a minor
>performance gain is worth the extra development time.

    And they will probably only do this after they have released a
PowerPC version of their current Mac apps.


>One last issue.  Many people are confused, thinking the PowerPC-based
>Macintosh will be compatible with DOS/Windows software.  This is not true.
>Compatibility with DOS/Windows software is handled in the same way it is
>with your Macintosh today:  SoftPC.  For those of you who are groaning,
>there is some indication that native SoftPC might be equal to or exceed 486
>speeds.  That's just the "drift" I'm getting from rumors, I have no facts
>to substantiate that one.

    This rumor has been talked about for quite some time, and it is one
of the features of MacTheKnife this week.

>Incidentally, Apple is working on a 486 PDS card.  If that is released for
>PowerPC, you'd have compatibility that way as well.

    Actually, this PDS card is slated to be released for '040-based
Macs. This is why it's an '040 PDS card. ;->

>(BTW, this information is taken from:  Apple propaganda and developer info,
>Motorola spec sheets, and public statements by members of the PowerPC team).

    I'm not going to site any sources, the stuff that I have posted is
pretty common knowledge. Except for the NewOS beta release, which I got
>From someone in comp.sys.mac.advocacy who is actually using it.

-Hades

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 23:19:12 EDT
From: sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan)
Subject: PowerPC OS (C)

>>
      Just think.  Apple is introducing a new high-end machine for the 1990s,
without memory protection or real multitasking.  Even the System 7
port is supposedly a year away.  And that date was issued before the
last round of layoffs were announced.  That just isn't going to cut it
against NT and Pentium.
>>

According to Byte, the PowerPC will be running a flavour of UNIX based on
the PowerOpen specification.  System 7, OS/2, Windows and anything else
will run on top of this (simultaneously).  Apple has re-written all the
ToolBox calls to run natively on the PowerPC, which is why it can emulate the
Mac at Quadra 700 speeds.  System 7 does not have memory protection
or pre-emptive multitasking yet.  However, you can run multiple System 7
sessions in separate X windows, which are protected from each other and
multitask pre-emptively.  To answer the original question, yes the PowerPC
does have its own OS (as distinct from user interface) with it's own
API.  For more info, check out the August issue of Byte; the PowerPC is
the cover story.

Sridar

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 11:11:20 PST
From: Brad E Sandman <Brad_E_Sandman@ccm.hf.intel.com>
Subject: PowerPC vs. Pentium - long

Wade Williams writes:
> 3)  The PowerPC is faster than Pentium, so the statement that "it just
> won't cut it" is not true.  Also think about this:  the Pentium draws
> twice as much power, is twice as large, costs twice as much and runs
> twice as hot as the PowerPC.  All that for a slower chip.

Keep in mind that the comparisons being made between PowerPC and the
Pentium microprocessor, are between the expected specs of the '94
PowerPC chip and the current specs of the '93 Pentium.

> The reason is that Intel decided to include 80x86 compatibility in
> the Pentium, which forced it to stick with CISC technology.  Now,
> normally, Intel would just follow its tradition of doubling the
> clock speed of the chip in order to compete with their competition.
> However, hardware designers have already had to redesign systems to
> handle the Pentium's heat output.  It's likely that if Intel tried
> to increase the clock, the heat output would either force another
> redesign, or simply be too high for the average PC. So, when
> Motorola releases the PowerPC 603, 604 and 620, which will be faster
> than the 601 (and all supposed to be released within the next 18
> months), Intel may have a hard time keeping up without moving to
> RISC.  [...]  It's possible it would be impratical and Intel would
> just have to scrap compatibility.

You're mistaken that the Pentium chip is inherently inferior because it
is CISC.  Several "radical" changes (from prior x86 chips) were included
in the Pentium architecture which are just like those found in RISC
chips.  It is NOT impossible to achieve RISC-like performance and still
maintain the x86 compatibility.  (BTW, Intel makes a RISC architecture,
and it's in every HP LaserJet 4/4M)

However, the point I really wanted to make, is that the Pentium is so
much slower, hotter, uses more power and is more expensive because the
manufacturing process is different.  Currently, Pentium is on a 0.8
micron process (I think - point is it's larger) and the PowerPC will be
a 0.6 micron die.  The next Pentium, expected before the PowerPC, will
also be on a 0.6 micron die.  The PowerPC will be a finer pitch process
than the CURRENT Pentium, but not the Pentium that will be shipping when
the PowerPC systems first ship.  The 0.6 micron Pentium will have a
comparable die size to the PowerPC, will consume less power, and run
faster and cooler.

> Having said all that, I'll also say:  never underestimate Intel.

Motorola and Intel are strong competitors in the semiconductor arena,
but Intel has the current, world-wide PC market on its architecture.
Intel will stay competitive by improving its architecture and
performance levels, and other companies will try to win people away with
new architectures.  However, it seems like it's the applications that
win the users over.  No matter how much better the Mac OS was for years,
the majority of the PC market went with Intel architecture -- because of
the existing applications.  Since Microsoft has approximated the Mac OS
with Windows 3.1, there is less cause for people to leave Intel for any
other architecture -- especially one that has no native applications
yet.

Who knows how well emulation will work or just how cheaply PowerPC
systems will sell.  It is true that Macs have always been more expensive
than comparable Intel PC's, and that may continue to be the case, too.
Remember, there's nothing evil about Intel; it's a business, and this is
called competition!  (Of course, I still like using a Mac over Windoze
any day)

Comments/arguments always welcome.

Brad Sandman
Intel Corporation - Video Components Division

Disclaimer:  I work for Intel, but I don't speak for them.  This is all
public information - not Intel policy.  Thank you.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 93 18:24:54 MEZ
From: "Dr. Stefan P. Mueller"
<ONM010%vm.hrz.uni-essen.de@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Problems initializing 800k disks with Hardware Update-NO!

    Bill Williams complained that Apples Hardware System Update 2.0 installs
the new 720K Floppy Disk Formatter which formats 800k floppies as 720k MFM
disks rather than 800k as the default. This was not the case with my copy of
the update package; the "Easy" installation left the floppy formatter
untouched. It would have required a conscious decision to custom-install the
new 720K Floppy Disk Formatter as an extension.

    I am not a supporter of the new limited floppy mechanism but I believe a
flame against Apple is not in order here. To me there appears to be no danger
of
hundreds of floppies being erased accidentially unless there are different
versions of the updater in orbit on the network or ...

Stefan

------------------------------

Date: 2 Aug 1993 03:41:32 +1000
From: keithm@cc.uow.edu.au (Keith Marshall)
Subject: Reply to my request re hard disk Icon won't cut or paste

Forwarded message:
> From tpham@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Mon Aug  2 03:08:44 1993 +1000
> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 11:08:27 MDT
> From: tpham@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Bumble Bee)
> Message-Id: <9308011708.AA14377@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
> To: keithm@cc.uow.edu.au
> Subject: Hard Disk Icon...
>
Y
>       1. Try to fix it with "Disk First Aid" if it does not work then
>       2. Try to fix it with "HD setup" program, but don't use it initialize
>          the hard drive. Only use the "Up Date" function to update the
>          the missing icon. This should bring back the generic icon of the
>          hard drive. However if the "paste" and "cut" command still does
>          not work, you can try to replace the "finder" with a new one.
>       3. If all else failed, you may have to install new system software
>       4. Last resource, re-initialize the hard drive :(!
>
>       I hope this help. I got the this problem last week!
>       Good Luck!
>       DN
>

As well as this, you could try system 7.1. The reversion to generic icons
seems to be a bug in system 7.0.X. Here's some other suggestions:
If you intend to keep using system 7.0, take *everything* off your hard
disk, re-format it, re-install system 7.0.1, then install 7.0.1 tune-up
*before* you put anything else on the disk.
The solution to *my* problem was to use a program from archie.au called
folderunlock (at some sites it's called 'UnlockFolder') on my hard drive.
Sometimes file sharing causes this problem too. Try making sure file sharing
is off. Sometimes you need to re-boot from a floppy and turn the files
sharing off while booted from a floppy.
Hope it helps.

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 13:28:44 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Software Licensing Query for TidBITS article

TidBITS is in the process of researching an article on software licensing
with a view toward the actual law, standard agreements, nonstandard
agreements, what happens if you break the agreement, and how it all
applies to shareware/freeware. We also hope to look at the details
in terms of upgrades, selling software, donating software to non-profits,
and otherwise transferring the license.

With that in mind, we could use some help. If you could send Brady
Johnson information on the following, we'd appreciate it (there's
no need to send the stuff to me as well). Brady's address is:

   wizard36@aol.com

We're looking for strange licensing clauses, how different companies
allow you to transfer the license (or not), if you as a individual
have had any experiences with enforcement of the law, and any other
brief comments you might have.

And yes, Brady actually is a lawyer, he doesn't just play one on the
nets.

cheers ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 13:27:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: MUENCH@SERVAX.FIU.EDU (MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA)
Subject: SoundManager 3.0 (won't run)

Jest got it
and it makes my mac puke.
anyone have problems w/it?
setup: IIci, sys 7.01 tuned, and a variety of extensions (including QT 1.6)

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1993 17:08:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill D'Camp <DCAMP@cisco.nosc.mil>
Subject: Strange problem with System 7.1 on PB140

I recently installed System 7.1 on my PB140, and have run into
a strange problem.  I ran the compatibility checker before
doing the install and allowed it to move all of the
recommended inits out of the system folder.  After doing the
install I restarted the system and now have no date showing
when I open a window which is viewed by filename (date is set
in the cdev).  Also when I bring up Daymaker I get garbage
where there should be dates.  When I check the date cdev I
also get garbage when I try to select any of the date formats.

I haven't seen anything like this referenced in Info-MAC, but
I was without access for a couple of months while I was moving
to Japan. Has anyone seen this happen with 7.1 before?  Any
ideas on how to correct the problem?

Thanks

Internet:  dcamp@cisco.nosc.mil

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 93 22:10:36
From: chris.parrish@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu
Subject: STYLEWRITER I

  I have just become the proud owner of a StyleWriter II, and I am quite happy
with it except for a few minor details. Specifically, I am having trouble
every time I put the printer on best mode, and try to print a grayscale
image.
Randomly throughout the output there are streaks of white lines sometimes as
much as a 1/4 inch in width. I tried using a different kind of paper (about
25% cotton...20 lbs.) but that didn't help either. Switching to normal from
best seems to completely eliminate the lines. Does anyone have an tips to
prevent this, and while your at it, can you recommend a good paper to use?

 Thanks...

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 15:02:27 +0100
From: williams@tours.inra.fr (John Williams)
Subject: Stylewriter II and vertical axes (A)

Well, I'm no specialist, but as M.S. Silverstein is persisting with his
(unanswered) quastion, here goes:

I think that Kaleidagraph, like other programs, actually change rotated
text from text to a bit-mapped graphic.  This would explain the jaggies.

One work-around is to copy the graph over to a draw-type program that
doesn't suffer from this shortcoming, eliminate the jaggy axis label, and
create a new one.  We use MacDraw Pro for this and although it's quite slow
and hogs memory, it gets the job done.  You may also find the various
alignement tools handy for setting out multiple graphs neatly on  one page.


John Williams

(INRA Station de Recherches Avicoles, Centre de Recherches de Tours, 37380
Nouzilly, France)

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 00:01:13 -0800
From: jonpugh@netcom.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Suitcase/Carpetbag and System 7

> Since fonts in system 7 are already not kept in the system file, what is the
> advantage of using suitcase/carpetbag?

The advantage is that the installer doesn't know where you have hidden your
fonts and will not stomp on them during (re)installation.  This allows you
simply remove the ones that were installed and keep you custom fonts,
sounds, and fkeys in your suitcase files.

Also, Suitcase allows you to open and close files on the fly.  I don't use
that very often, but it's handy when you can.

Jon

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Date: 3 Aug 1993 08:56:50 -0400
From: tarr-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Tarr)
Subject: Thumbnail

Could someone with access to AppleLink Ziffnet Selections or ZiffNet/Mac
connect to the ZMC:POWERTOOLS area or MacUser Software and download
Thumbnail (THUMBN.SIT) to SUMEX (or even just send me a binhexed copy --
I have thousands of PICT files for use as stimuli in psych experiments
that could benefit from this treatment!)

Thanks,

Mike Tarr
tarr@cs.yale.edu

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 20:46:11 EDT
From: "/\\\\att" <mcable@Jade.Tufts.EDU>
Subject: UltraShield

Hi all,
  I'm lookin for info on UltraShield and NetSecure.  Who makes them, are they
good products, where can I reach them (preferably on the net)
Thanks
Please e-mail responses.
/\\att Cable
TCSUC Jackson Macintosh Labs
Tufts University

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 93 17:41:40 MEZ
From: "Dr. Stefan P. Mueller"
<ONM010%vm.hrz.uni-essen.de@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: US-Excel 4: what makes it recognize D.M.YY as a date? [Q]

	We are using the US version of Excel 4.0 here in Germany (who likes to
	wonder
how the standard function names every programmer is familiar with have been
translated!!!!! in the German version).
	Now a problem has come up where we want to enter dates for further
calculations. Excel allows to specify any output format for dates including
the
German formats "DD.MM.YY" or "D.M.YY", however, for data _entry_ it only seems
to recognize the US formats "MM/DD/YY" or "DD-MMM-YY" and their derivatives as
valid dates.
	I am only using Excel worksheets for repetitive numerical computations
	but I am
not experienced in Excel programming. From the manuals I couldn't figure out
how
to create a custom date format which _recognizes_ data as dates which are
entered in the German format "D.M.YY".

Could anybody out there help with this?

Thank you very much!

Stefan

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 16:34:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Ehrlich <jayce@cs.Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Virtual Screen?

Greetings net,

I am looking for a system extension to give me a virtual screen, i.e.
more screen than the physical limits of the monitor. Something like
the old Stepping Out II from way-back, but it needs to work well with
System 7 :)

thanks much,
jason ehrlich
jayce@cs.princeton.edu

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 16:52 CDT
From: Govind@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: What do I need to play *.MID files? (A)

lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) writes:
> I was wondering if I needed any special hardware to play a .MID file.I
> don't want to create anything (i.e. connecting a keyboard to my mac
> but just want to listen to files.  If it can just be done with software
> what is out there that can do this?  I have a C610 at home.

If you want to get "pleasing" sounds, a midi synth/s.module is required.
Concertware+MIDI (street price  $100) has the capabilty to play back
MIDI files on the mac-speaker (don't expect orchestral quality sounds
though :-). Btw, a new version of Concertware is due out *real soon*.
( Also, *.MID files have to be translated from DOS format to the Mac. )

Cheers- Shekhar Govind                   govind@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 16:03:32 -0600
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
Subject: What do I need to play *.MID files? (A)

Hi,
	Thanks for the responses.  I always appreciate e-mail repsonses
the most.

Cheers,
Eric

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 20:23:52 BST
From: Yoram Ney <yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.digest,connect.audit
Path: yoram
From: yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk (Yoram Ney)
Subject: Quick-B vs. Zmodem (Faq???)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Distribution: connect
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:23:29 GMT
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Sender: yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk (Yoram Ney)

I thought this would be a faq, but no trace for it in comp.sys.mac.comm
faq...

How do Zmodem and Quick-B compare in terms of efficiency(speed), and any other
relevant aspect?

Accordingly, anyone knows of a good reason why Zmodem is not implemented
in CompuServe? (or is it???)

Yoram    <yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 20:31:36 BST
From: Yoram Ney <yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.digest,connect.audit
Path: yoram
From: yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk (Yoram Ney)
Subject: ImageWriter II colour ribbons
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 19:30:58 GMT
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Sender: yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk (Yoram Ney)

Hi

Anyone knows where I can mail order or otherwise get an ImageWriter II
4-colour ribbon?? - You would be surprised ( and perhaps amused too :-(   )
to hear some of the replies I got from some 'Authorised' Apple resellers
and mail order stores...

Thanks for any help!!!

Yoram    Internet:  <yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:20:48 -0600
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From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Speedometer's drive results and how to acheieve them?
Message-ID: <1993Aug3.222045.18892@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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I've seen a few posted results of Speedometer test for various systems.
What I'm interested are the numbers for the C610, which I have at home.
It's the 8/230 package.  The main results for the Disk Drive test I've
seen are 4.9-5.1 ratings.  When I run Speedometer on my machine at home
the best I get is 3.1 and I think it's slightly higher when I run a
vanilla system (i.e. no extensions at boot-up).

What can effect the rating I get?  It seems to me that drive size is
irelevant to this test.  So how can I 'speed' up my drive and get more
equal ratings to other test I've seen?  I think my C610 shipped with a
Quantum drive.

Thanks in advance,
Eric
--
Eric J. Lorenzo
lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU

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